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新しい国立競技場の建設について結構騒がれていますな。
運動場に2500億円だもんな。
つーか2500億円でも足りなくなるらしいけどさ。
そら建設見直しの声がデカくなるのは当然だ。
一方、五輪を誘致するのに公約した競技場なわけで、コンペで提案した競技場案で行くべきだって声も理解できる。
五輪をやる前から世界に恥を晒すのは国家的にもマズいだろうしさ。
双方どちらの意見も言いたい事はわかりますわ。
たださ、俺は今回の問題のニュースを見るたびに思うんだよね。
「え、1300億円(当初の予定だった建設費)じゃ建てらんないの?」って。
競技場に1300億円ってだけでも異常なくらい高いんだよ?
それが無理ってどうゆうことよ?
ちょっと建設会社がボリ過ぎじゃね?
世界の競技施設の建設費と比べても圧倒的な高さ(先進国含め)。
日本の競技施設と比べても抜きんでて高い。
ねえ、ねえ。
なんでこんなに建設費掛かんの?
ぶっちゃけ屋根があろうが無かろうが試算額がおかしいんですって。
予定通りの建設費で収まらないわけがないんだよ。
どっかに変なからくりがあるとしか思えんわ。
反対賛成の前に、まずはこの部分を議論しません?
マスコミも政治家も国民の皆様も。
この部分をきっちり議論しとかないと、五輪特需だと浮かれたつ建設業界に好き勝手されちゃうよ?
五輪に向けて作るのは競技場1つだけじゃないんだから。
新国立競技場が「いる」「いらない」議論はミスリードっすよ。
この問題は「予算内で作れない理由は何だよ」なんだと思います。
運動場に2500億円だもんな。
つーか2500億円でも足りなくなるらしいけどさ。
そら建設見直しの声がデカくなるのは当然だ。
一方、五輪を誘致するのに公約した競技場なわけで、コンペで提案した競技場案で行くべきだって声も理解できる。
五輪をやる前から世界に恥を晒すのは国家的にもマズいだろうしさ。
双方どちらの意見も言いたい事はわかりますわ。
たださ、俺は今回の問題のニュースを見るたびに思うんだよね。
「え、1300億円(当初の予定だった建設費)じゃ建てらんないの?」って。
競技場に1300億円ってだけでも異常なくらい高いんだよ?
それが無理ってどうゆうことよ?
ちょっと建設会社がボリ過ぎじゃね?
世界の競技施設の建設費と比べても圧倒的な高さ(先進国含め)。
日本の競技施設と比べても抜きんでて高い。
ねえ、ねえ。
なんでこんなに建設費掛かんの?
ぶっちゃけ屋根があろうが無かろうが試算額がおかしいんですって。
予定通りの建設費で収まらないわけがないんだよ。
どっかに変なからくりがあるとしか思えんわ。
反対賛成の前に、まずはこの部分を議論しません?
マスコミも政治家も国民の皆様も。
この部分をきっちり議論しとかないと、五輪特需だと浮かれたつ建設業界に好き勝手されちゃうよ?
五輪に向けて作るのは競技場1つだけじゃないんだから。
新国立競技場が「いる」「いらない」議論はミスリードっすよ。
この問題は「予算内で作れない理由は何だよ」なんだと思います。
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このウザイURLのコメントは何なんだ?。前の記事に対する俺のコメントが削除されてるじゃないか(-_-#) 手術後の俺は順調で来週退院だけど、まだ股関のリハビリしてないw
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高過ぎるし、建て始めると「もう戻れない」とかでさらに請求してくるのが目に浮ぶ。
1300億円が上限なら概算工事費1000億円ぐらいに抑えとくべきなのでは?
アンダーコントロールも嘘なんだし今更メンツなんてどうでもええやんと個人的には思います。
1300億円が上限なら概算工事費1000億円ぐらいに抑えとくべきなのでは?
アンダーコントロールも嘘なんだし今更メンツなんてどうでもええやんと個人的には思います。
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計画をキチンと実行しようとして、当初案の予算から倍に増えることなんてザラにあるんです>建築業界
しかも、耐震だったりで今は余計にコストが掛かる
だから1300億から2500億になっても「まぁ、そうだろうな」としか思わなかった
事情を知っていたら、これは充分ありえることだって解っているから。
なので「2500億」は明らかに政権叩きに使われたというのが実感です
政権叩きだったことが実証されたのは、あれだけ叩いておきながら総理の「白紙にして再検討」を誰も褒めないことだな。
そして更に面白いのが、当初はラグビーW杯に間に合わせる為の予算で、そのラグビーW杯に関して誰も考慮していないこと。こんな酷い話があるか?W杯だぞ?もしこれがサッカーのW杯なら大問題になってたわ。でもそれが日本ラグビーの悲しい現実で、世界のラグビー先進国から見ると、馬鹿にされた感じになるんだわな。日本W杯に尽力してくれた人も沢山いるわけだし、森元の面子も丸潰れだけど、あの人は泥を被ってくれるからな。
ラグビーW杯なんかどうでもいい!次の年の東京五輪だ!
世界のラグビー関係者に対して無礼だわ本当に
足を引っ張りたいだけだろうと
ただ、元のデザイン、あれは無いと思った。あれに決定した奴の首を刈らないとダメだわ
あと、建築業界の根本的な高コスト体質というのは、政治家が数人死ぬくらいの犠牲でようやく改革出来る程度の案件なので、根が深すぎるんですわ
しかも、耐震だったりで今は余計にコストが掛かる
だから1300億から2500億になっても「まぁ、そうだろうな」としか思わなかった
事情を知っていたら、これは充分ありえることだって解っているから。
なので「2500億」は明らかに政権叩きに使われたというのが実感です
政権叩きだったことが実証されたのは、あれだけ叩いておきながら総理の「白紙にして再検討」を誰も褒めないことだな。
そして更に面白いのが、当初はラグビーW杯に間に合わせる為の予算で、そのラグビーW杯に関して誰も考慮していないこと。こんな酷い話があるか?W杯だぞ?もしこれがサッカーのW杯なら大問題になってたわ。でもそれが日本ラグビーの悲しい現実で、世界のラグビー先進国から見ると、馬鹿にされた感じになるんだわな。日本W杯に尽力してくれた人も沢山いるわけだし、森元の面子も丸潰れだけど、あの人は泥を被ってくれるからな。
ラグビーW杯なんかどうでもいい!次の年の東京五輪だ!
世界のラグビー関係者に対して無礼だわ本当に
足を引っ張りたいだけだろうと
ただ、元のデザイン、あれは無いと思った。あれに決定した奴の首を刈らないとダメだわ
あと、建築業界の根本的な高コスト体質というのは、政治家が数人死ぬくらいの犠牲でようやく改革出来る程度の案件なので、根が深すぎるんですわ
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